you know, we are gaining jobs which is increasing income after a big drop in the month of january. but we're not gaining wages. so for the individual, it feels like there's sort of spinning their wheels a bit. >> you know when we came out of the deepest part of the trough during the last four years, there would be the occasional good monthly report, and people like you, diane and people like you, dan, would say we're not out of the woods yet. well, before we go tonight, what does out of the woods or at least coming out of the woods look like? what should people be looking for? dan. >> i think a few more reports like this, 250,000 jobs is pretty good. you annualize that over the course of a year. it's 3 million. over the past 12 months we got 2 million. and i would actually look, you know, drilling down, we've had the situation the last few years where the private sector adds jobs every month. but the public sector which is federal, state and local governments cuts them, 10,000 here, 20,000 there.